Comments on: The Flash Player’s Uncertain Future http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/ Geoff Gaudreault's Flash weblog and source files archive. Mon, 26 Dec 2011 06:37:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Rick http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2978 Rick Sun, 16 May 2010 21:19:51 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2978 A lot of people will continue developing Flash content. Flash games are very popular, and the fact that they get sponsored and can get ads installed to generate income keeps drawing in new developers. Also, people cannot see the source code without a decompiler, and such games are easy to distribute. HTML5, on the other hand, does not hide the source code, and distributing said games around is not an easy task as of yet. Lots of developers will continue using flash for the said reasons. And ActionScript 3 has worked hard to overcome lots of known Flash issues and Adobe will probably keep making more progress. A lot of people will continue developing Flash content. Flash games are very popular, and the fact that they get sponsored and can get ads installed to generate income keeps drawing in new developers. Also, people cannot see the source code without a decompiler, and such games are easy to distribute.

HTML5, on the other hand, does not hide the source code, and distributing said games around is not an easy task as of yet. Lots of developers will continue using flash for the said reasons. And ActionScript 3 has worked hard to overcome lots of known Flash issues and Adobe will probably keep making more progress.

]]> By: Joshua http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2962 Joshua Tue, 11 May 2010 03:00:55 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2962 When Flash crashes, it takes everything down with it. That is the major flaw in Flash. If Adobe can prevent the "take everything down with it" then that'll be nice. Flash developers who don't follow good programming procedures are to be blamed as well. When Flash crashes, it takes everything down with it. That is the major flaw in Flash. If Adobe can prevent the "take everything down with it" then that'll be nice. Flash developers who don't follow good programming procedures are to be blamed as well.

]]> By: New Flash Games http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2945 New Flash Games Mon, 19 Apr 2010 06:32:13 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2945 Flash is here to stay. Adobe's products are to good, and this was a bad move by Apple, and not only because of the <a href="http://gamesloop" target="_blank">flash games</a> As for java, that's something that will go away real soon. It's almost dead already, like coma dead. Flash is here to stay. Adobe's products are to good, and this was a bad move by Apple, and not only because of the flash games
As for java, that's something that will go away real soon. It's almost dead already, like coma dead.

]]> By: Richard 23 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2897 Richard 23 Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:22:22 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2897 You said: "There are a LOT of talented people making incredible content for the web in Flash." Yeah, sure. Where? I have yet to see a Flash based website that wasn't tiresome in about 10 seconds. And since it's unwelcome inception Flash has been the goto plugin for serving up the most asinine and intrusive advertising. The best ones though are the ones that crank out audio at full volume and it's not at all clear where it's coming from. Yes, it really enriches my experience and puts me in the mood to spend money... on ammunition. Actually if I'm using Google Chrome, I go right to its task manager so I can strangle Flash Player in the crib. I actually managed to write a very useful web application for my employer that plots radio and television stations (location and signal strength) found in the FCC database using ActionScript, therefore it runs in Flash Player. It was not fun to write though. Not a big fan of the scripting language. So it has a potential for good, but it's mostly used to deliver unwanted junk while being impossible to ignore -- the animated gif on PCP. I could totally live in a world where Flash Player did not exist. And I wouldn't miss a thing. I can't believe people still tolerate that thing. On some computers I use, I routinely turn down the opportunity to install Flash at all. Others would be wise to do the same. Every time I have visited a marketing related website, usually to find out who and why the latest annoyance is so damn prevalent it becomes so very clear what a disservice Edward L. Bernays did to us all by legitimizing sociopathy. Nearly 100 years of the public relations industry have certainly done little to improve the human condition. IMHO. You said: “There are a LOT of talented people making incredible content for the web in Flash.”

Yeah, sure. Where? I have yet to see a Flash based website that wasn’t tiresome in about 10 seconds. And since it’s unwelcome inception Flash has been the goto plugin for serving up the most asinine and intrusive advertising. The best ones though are the ones that crank out audio at full volume and it’s not at all clear where it’s coming from. Yes, it really enriches my experience and puts me in the mood to spend money… on ammunition.

Actually if I’m using Google Chrome, I go right to its task manager so I can strangle Flash Player in the crib.

I actually managed to write a very useful web application for my employer that plots radio and television stations (location and signal strength) found in the FCC database using ActionScript, therefore it runs in Flash Player. It was not fun to write though. Not a big fan of the scripting language. So it has a potential for good, but it’s mostly used to deliver unwanted junk while being impossible to ignore — the animated gif on PCP.

I could totally live in a world where Flash Player did not exist. And I wouldn’t miss a thing. I can’t believe people still tolerate that thing. On some computers I use, I routinely turn down the opportunity to install Flash at all. Others would be wise to do the same.

Every time I have visited a marketing related website, usually to find out who and why the latest annoyance is so damn prevalent it becomes so very clear what a disservice Edward L. Bernays did to us all by legitimizing sociopathy. Nearly 100 years of the public relations industry have certainly done little to improve the human condition. IMHO.

]]> By: virtual piano http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2877 virtual piano Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:25:32 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2877 It isn't the plugin that is so awful, it is how people use it. And so far, all the HTML5 examples have been less visually thrilling than Flash. So there is still a place for that plugin and the fight will continue to get it on the iPhone to be sure. It isn't the plugin that is so awful, it is how people use it. And so far, all the HTML5 examples have been less visually thrilling than Flash. So there is still a place for that plugin and the fight will continue to get it on the iPhone to be sure.

]]> By: Brian! http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2857 Brian! Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:21:01 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2857 Apple probably is a burr under Adobe's heel. Flash is everywhere but the iPhone and that is a tough battle. We all know the only reason Apple resists Flash is that it would lessen the value of the App store. But they won't allow any runtime interpreter on iPhone. If you develop for them, you have to do it their way making ports to other platforms more difficult. It is just another lock-in strategy that works for Apple so well. As for Flash crashing browsers - uh, plenty of HTML + JS does that just fine too. Take away Flash from ads, and they will just use the new tools in HTML5. Plus, there is always someone who wants to create experiences on the web - not just blog-like pages. These high-end Flash sites might someday have the ability to be replicated... maybe HTML6 or HTML7... and then what will people complain about? It isn't the plugin that is so awful, it is how people use it. And so far, all the HTML5 examples have been less visually thrilling than Flash. So there is still a place for that plugin and the fight will continue to get it on the iPhone to be sure. Apple probably is a burr under Adobe's heel. Flash is everywhere but the iPhone and that is a tough battle. We all know the only reason Apple resists Flash is that it would lessen the value of the App store. But they won't allow any runtime interpreter on iPhone. If you develop for them, you have to do it their way making ports to other platforms more difficult. It is just another lock-in strategy that works for Apple so well.

As for Flash crashing browsers – uh, plenty of HTML + JS does that just fine too. Take away Flash from ads, and they will just use the new tools in HTML5. Plus, there is always someone who wants to create experiences on the web – not just blog-like pages. These high-end Flash sites might someday have the ability to be replicated… maybe HTML6 or HTML7… and then what will people complain about?

It isn't the plugin that is so awful, it is how people use it. And so far, all the HTML5 examples have been less visually thrilling than Flash. So there is still a place for that plugin and the fight will continue to get it on the iPhone to be sure.

]]> By: Rahmat Hidayat http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2856 Rahmat Hidayat Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:07:53 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2856 flash is still great although i'm not denying its flaws, but again HTML/JS is not a godsend platform as well. i think the negative sentiments towards flash is more conceived by the resulting combination of economy and plain human boredom, making a good flash site (based on my experience) takes a lot of time and money as oppose of building an HTML/JS sites and nobody dares to invest such luxury or has the necessity that requires flash in this recession time hence that triggered a massive PR by non-flash developers to defame flash to the market. what we are experiencing right now is a boredom/transition period, people are looking for something new and exiting, and iphone, HTML5/JS has offer a conduit to fulfill our insatiable needs. and i think adobe realize its up them whether to follow or lead flash is still great although i'm not denying its flaws, but again HTML/JS is not a godsend platform as well.
i think the negative sentiments towards flash is more conceived by the resulting combination of economy and plain human boredom, making a good flash site (based on my experience) takes a lot of time and money as oppose of building an HTML/JS sites and nobody dares to invest such luxury or has the necessity that requires flash in this recession time hence that triggered a massive PR by non-flash developers to defame flash to the market.
what we are experiencing right now is a boredom/transition period, people are looking for something new and exiting, and iphone, HTML5/JS has offer a conduit to fulfill our insatiable needs.
and i think adobe realize its up them whether to follow or lead

]]> By: Phil http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2855 Phil Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:43:54 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2855 3.7% of the global cell phone market is not "minor". Especially considering that they sell over 90% of all mobile apps. I do feel however that they will need to adopt Flash Player on their devices. Users expect Flash as part of their online experience and will ultimately expect their mobile experience to be the same as the one they get on the desktop. 3.7% of the global cell phone market is not "minor". Especially considering that they sell over 90% of all mobile apps. I do feel however that they will need to adopt Flash Player on their devices. Users expect Flash as part of their online experience and will ultimately expect their mobile experience to be the same as the one they get on the desktop.

]]> By: Victor C Tavernari http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2854 Victor C Tavernari Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:41:47 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2854 as long as IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari and others working in a competitive, hehehehe, there being error, so I very much doubt it is out with flash. Flash is no longer to do what the javascript does .. he is entering another level of programming .. What we are seeing today is the beginning of a new era where the flash will be part, it is no longer a tool of banner .. as long as IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari and others working in a competitive, hehehehe, there being error, so I very much doubt it is out with flash.

Flash is no longer to do what the javascript does .. he is entering another level of programming ..

What we are seeing today is the beginning of a new era where the flash will be part, it is no longer a tool of banner ..

]]> By: Dan http://www.neurofuzzy.net/2010/01/25/the-flash-players-uncertain-future/comment-page-1/#comment-2853 Dan Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:05:06 +0000 http://www.neurofuzzy.net/?p=182#comment-2853 Both Flash and HTML have pros and cons, let me just clarify these two misconceptions: Shockwave: Shockwave was never web technology like Flash, it was a bulky plugin, no mainstream adoption, big filesize, not as seamlessly integrated with browsers, steeper learning curve Downwards compatibility: Things I built with JS years ago mostly don't work correctly anymore, and it's not trivial to fix them. JS equals far more costs in long-term maintainance due to a fragmented and unpredictable browser market. Any old Flash file works without problems though, only thing that might break it are crossdomain issues. Both Flash and HTML have pros and cons, let me just clarify these two misconceptions:

Shockwave:
Shockwave was never web technology like Flash, it was a bulky plugin, no mainstream adoption, big filesize, not as seamlessly integrated with browsers, steeper learning curve

Downwards compatibility:
Things I built with JS years ago mostly don't work correctly anymore, and it's not trivial to fix them. JS equals far more costs in long-term maintainance due to a fragmented and unpredictable browser market.
Any old Flash file works without problems though, only thing that might break it are crossdomain issues.

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